{"id":6680,"date":"2022-09-18T11:37:44","date_gmt":"2022-09-18T11:37:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/uncategorized\/what-are-carbon-skis-really\/"},"modified":"2022-12-21T21:10:42","modified_gmt":"2022-12-21T21:10:42","slug":"what-are-carbon-skis-really","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/en\/choose-the-right-gear\/what-are-carbon-skis-really\/","title":{"rendered":"What are carbon skis really?"},"content":{"rendered":"\r\n\r\n<section class=\"wp-block-uagb-section uagb-section__wrap uagb-section__background-undefined uagb-block-a59979af\">\r\n<div class=\"uagb-section__overlay\"><\/div>\r\n<div class=\"uagb-section__inner-wrap\">\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nOnce upon a time, skis were made from wood. Bindings were made from metal and leather. Just fifty years ago, a sole of hickory wood was state-of-the-art. Those days, of course, are gone. The list of impenetrable acronyms and technologies in ski-design is thoroughly bonkers.\u00a0Back in the real world, carbon is in vogue. Carbon fibre has revolutionised sports equipment, from cycling to sailing, and ski manufacturers, naturally, are fans.\r\n\r\nSeveral major ski brands have started to market full-carbon builds. They\u2019re light. They cost a lot. But carbon is no magic bullet for solving the need for compromise that characterises every single ski design. You can never have it all.\u00a0We think it might be useful, then, to take a look at precisely what a carbon fibre ski is \u2013 and what it isn\u2019t.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"karbonski-eller-bare-karbon-i-skien\">Carbon skis? Or skis with carbon in?<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nFirst of all, <strong>no skis are made of 100% carbon<\/strong>. Or anything like 100% carbon, for that matter.\r\n\r\nFor the most part, when we talk about carbon in skis we\u2019re talking about the layers of <strong>laminate<\/strong> used to bind other elements of the core and which help to decide the ski\u2019s principle properties \u2013 the degree to which it can flex, for example. Carbon laminate layers are put down between core and topsheet, and core and sole.\r\n\r\n<strong>The vast majority of skis are built with laminates of fibreglass<\/strong>. Glass fibre is a durable composite. Cured with epoxy, it bonds layers and makes for a ski of dependable structural integrity. It brings stiffness to the table, too, while maintaining a good dynamic feel.\r\n\r\nFibreglass serves to damp vibration, too. This helps to mitigate against, say, choppy tips when you\u2019re barrelling downhill with parallel skis or attempting to descend with dignity over refrozen snow resembling wind on a shallow lake.\r\n\r\nThe combination of fibreglass and epoxy, however, can add weight. Weight is by no means a dealbreaker, true \u2013 but it\u2019s nice to have fresh legs when you get back to the treelinet.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" class=\"wp-image-2574\" src=\"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/glasfilamentgewebe-1024x768-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/glasfilamentgewebe-1024x768-1.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/glasfilamentgewebe-1024x768-1-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/glasfilamentgewebe-1024x768-1-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/glasfilamentgewebe-1024x768-1-600x450.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\" style=\"font-size: 12px;\">Typical woven fibreglass laminate.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" class=\"wp-image-2576\" src=\"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Slide2-1024x576.png\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Slide2-1024x576.png 1024w, https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Slide2-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Slide2-768x432.png 768w, https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Slide2.png 1280w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"karbon-bidrar-forst-og-fremst-til-vektbesparelse\">Carbon saves weight<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<strong>\u201cCarbon skis\u201d are skis built with laminates of carbon composite rather than glass fibre<\/strong>. The topsheet is bound to the core by carbon laminates. So are the sole and the core.\r\n\r\nIf the skis are built properly, carbon skis will have great longevity. But the principal advantage is weight. One can expect to save about 150g, more or less, in every area where the glass fibre is replaced with carbon. This may mean something like a saving of 400\u2013800 grams on a pair of skis \u2013 which is not to be sniffed at by those of us intending to make long summit tours in Norwegian conditions.\r\n\r\nBut, again, as every ski designer knows, and as every skier can confirm, you can\u2019t have it all. Carbon is stiffer than fibreglass. It doesn\u2019t damp as nicely. The dynamic properties of fibreglass laminted skis are sacrificed to the god of weight in carbon skis. That chattery, squirrelly sensation you experience at light-speed in difficult conditions is one of the disadvantages of carbon fabrication. An expensive carbon ski is not necessarily the solution; we pay for that <strong>damping, elasticity and feel<\/strong> with weight. Skis design is always compromise.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"708\" height=\"438\" class=\"wp-image-2572\" src=\"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/triaxial-carbon-fiber-fabric-3-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/triaxial-carbon-fiber-fabric-3-1.jpg 708w, https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/triaxial-carbon-fiber-fabric-3-1-300x186.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 708px) 100vw, 708px\" \/><\/figure>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\" style=\"font-size: 12px;\">Triaxial carbon laminate. Woven carbon.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"tilsetningstoffer-triks-og-materialsammensetninger-i-karbonski\">Other materials?<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nIs there a way to have your cake and eat it? Is there a way to have the lightness of carbon fibre laminates and the stability and damping properties of fibreglass laminates? Well \u2013 yes and no. Many ski manufacturers add additives to the carbon composite, or build the core with wood known for its damping properties. For us, without using fibreglass, \u201ctricks\u201d will only get you so far. Glass fibre offers the skier a better compromise between weight and the other properties that allow us to descend with control and pleasure. Our experience is that one always has to use some fibreglass anyway!\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"sa-hva-er-best\">So what&#8217;s best?<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nBy definition, there\u2019s no such thing as a \u201ccarbon ski\u201d. Just skis with more carbon than glass fibre, which tend to be lighter than comparable skis.\r\n\r\nIn ski production, there\u2019s a consensus that carbon has its place \u2013 as long as one maintains a light hand.\r\n\r\nEnter carbon fibre strings. Experience suggests that carbon fibre strings laid on either side of the core are a good solution here. 3.5cm to 8cm-wide strings of carbon afford the ski properties that fibreglass can\u2019t. This means less fibreglass, and less weight, while preserving some of the downhill characteristics, in, say, alpine touring skis. Better this than solving weight issues with a lighter wood core and thinner skis.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\r\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"600\" class=\"wp-image-2575\" src=\"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/WHC70-71-72-600x600-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/WHC70-71-72-600x600-1.jpg 600w, https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/WHC70-71-72-600x600-1-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/WHC70-71-72-600x600-1-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/figure>\r\n<\/div>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\" style=\"font-size: 12px;\">Carbon &#8216;strings&#8217; \u2013 straps of carbon.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"hvordan-lage-gode-karbonski-i-praksis\">Making carbon skis with carbon<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"utnytt-fordelene-ved-bade-glassfiber-og-karbon\">Take advantage of the beneficial properties of your materials<\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nSki manufacturers love technical terms. So allow us to present \u201chybrid fibre\u201d \u2013 laminates of fibreglass and carbon fibre, weighted proportionallt towards the fibreglass. Glass fibre laminate with carbon strings in strategic areas is the standard solution for the vast majority of quality skis on the market. The aim is a stable ski with a predictable, secure, dynamic feel.\r\n\r\nUsing unidirectional carbon strings with a ratio of around<strong> 90% glass fibre to 10% carbon fibre you can reinforce the area under the binding while keeping weight down. <\/strong>These makes for skis with good downhill properties.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"karbonski\">&#8220;Carbon skis&#8221;<\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nSome manufacturers choose to make skis with 100% carbon fibre reinforcement. These are skis for rando-race people, people who prioritise the ascent over absolutely everything else, and people with dependable access to soft snow for whom stability issues aren\u2019t so much of an issue.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"den-gyldne-middelvei\">The golden mean<\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThe last option is a middle ground: a<strong> 70%\u201330% mixture between glass and carbon fibre<\/strong>. 20% less glass fibre than the first alternative is achieved by replacing this glass fibre with triaxial carbon fibre (something usually only employed when designing longer and stiffer skis) for extra support. <strong>The weight reduction will then be somewhere between 50\u2013100 g<\/strong> on a pair of skis. This isn\u2019t a bad solution for summit tours when the peak and the descent are equally prized.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"konklusjonen\">Conclusion<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThere\u2019s no such thing as a \u201ccarbon ski\u201d. The core of the ski will always consist of wood (with honourable mentions for foam and other materials). Carbon fibre plays a part in the laminates and binding materials in many modern skis. Components such as the side walls play an equally important role in the feel and properties of a pair of skis, too.\u00a0The amount of carbon in your skis has consequences for downhill performance. It can make the skis lighter \u2013 but it\u2019ll drastically affect the way the ski behaves. Carbon can make skis stiffer, more rigid, which is a desirable thing in many circumstances. But too much carbon can make the ski less forgiving, more squirrelly, less stable in hard conditions. Stability at speed can suffer especially.\r\n\r\nEveryone\u2019s susceptible to marketing or being blinded by science at the point-of-sale in a ski shop. So it\u2019s worthwhile getting a good idea of what carbon in a ski can mean.\r\nFor getting to the summit as fast as possible, or for longer tours, carbon has something to offer. But if you prioritise the pleasure of the descent, then discover where the carbon is, and what that carbon\u2019s intended much &#8220;carbon ski&#8221; it is.\r\n\r\nOur recommendation is to buy a ski with at least some fibreglass and good <a href=\"https:\/\/asnes-academy.com\/en\/uncategorized\/understanding-sidewalls\/\">sidewalls<\/a>. But, like every winter and every mountain, all skiers are different. If you have any questions about skis, you can always contact us. We know a thing or two about ski manufacture and we\u2019re more than happy to help you.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<\/div>\r\n<\/section>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is there really any such a thing as a \u201ccarbon ski\u201d? Well\u2026 no. 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